User blog:ShenAlchemy/Meditation psiwiki discussion

mkolleen: so let me just recapmkolleen: we are here discussing meditationGuest7 has entered the room.vegeta: okmkolleen: we discussed already the power of meditationmkolleen: and the relevence to pk Niajhay: yesmkolleen: in short it is very relevant and powerful Xavier: kvegeta: continue Niajhay: and concentrationTruely: alice doesnt want to come on cause tarekGuest7 has become Alice.mkolleen: we discussed that there are 4 fundamental types Alice: UNKNOWN! SHUT UP!mkolleen: that will all be very useful to your practice Niajhay: and how if you concentrate on something simple as breathing your powers will increasevegeta: ooooooooTruely: oh nvm sorrymkolleen: 1) concentration 2) insight 3) energetic 4) astral/visualizationvegeta: how am i not breathing Xavier: kmkolleen: concentration is the most fundamental Alice: visualize okay got itvegeta: k<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: without concentration you will go nowhere Niajhay: ok guys no crap his teachings interest me<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: ok Alice: k what should we concentrate on exactly?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the first step to concentration is called "access concentration" or "one pointed concentration"<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: there are many things one can concentrate on to achieve this preliminary ability<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the most powerful is the breath<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: count the breath<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: stay with the breath<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: for longer and longer periods of time with trainingGuest8 has entered the room.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: whos that?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is the first technique Niajhay: idk mb maybe<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: one pointed concentrationGuest8 has become TheMasterBelieve.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: yup ok continue Niajhay: fk ye what a guess<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I can now go in different directions and want input from you on what you want to hear<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: yay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: no tarek Alice: pay attention! Alice: seriously! Niajhay: also mk you should put this on the wiki people can learn alot from this just sayin continue<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I can talk more about achieving one point concentration or I can talk about deeper levels of concentration beyond one point<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and also<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I could talk about insight<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: or energetics<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: or astral/visual Alice: start with insight<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: so please input what you want to hear<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ok I will now go over the basics of insight<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: no wait describe the concetration types and how can you achive them<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will come back to that<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: first come first served kind of thing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: oh kXavier has left the room.Xavier has left the room. Niajhay: ok i just want to hear it all Niajhay: o.O<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: insight is very easy to explain but very hard to do<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: concentration will be very useful here Alice: put this all on a wiki!<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the basics of insight is to observe<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I'll try Niajhay: hm Alice: observ?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you observe all the thoughts feelings perceptions Alice: oh okay Niajhay: any techniques for this?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: i thought we wernt supposed to think just focus on our breaths<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: CONTINUE<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: that is concentration<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is insight<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ok so with insight there will be two main problems besides losing focus Alice: insight, inside thinking, like searching our thoughts right<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(83,25,94);">TheMasterBelieve: what did I miss<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: losing focus means you start thinking about things too much, thinking about whats for dinner or maybe a fight you had<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: not staying in the moment<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: so with insight you do similar to concentration where you are concentrating on the breath<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: oh ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but also whenever you feel something<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: or hear something<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: or think something Alice: i get it, i think?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you take note of it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: so sometimes you wont think of anything at all<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you will be quiet<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and you might think you are doing it wrong<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(83,25,94);">TheMasterBelieve: What did I miss please tell me<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but you are doing it right just be quiet inside if that is what is natural it is good for you<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: mb i will recap in 1 sec<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(83,25,94);">TheMasterBelieve: ok thanks Alice: okay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the other problem<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: is you might think there is too much! Alice: so concentrate on one thought and your breathing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you are feeling and thinking and percieving too much<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you cant keep track of it all Niajhay: hm<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is okay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you will get better at it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and it will be useful<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will get to why it is useful<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ok continue<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you might even get worse as you practice this<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: each day more and more thoughts more uncontrol Alice: worse?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is an illusion<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: it is because you are noticing more and more Alice: oh okay Niajhay: hmm<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: so do not worry if this happens<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and alice with regard to your comment<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is a separate practice to concentration<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: concentration you try to stay with only the breath Niajhay: but with this? Niajhay: on every thing?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: insight you try to note everything that you are feeling, perceiving, and thinking<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but you return to the breath in between this Alice: oh okay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: it is useful in insight to pretend you are seeing yourself in third person<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you are separate from your own experience<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: with practice you will understand yourself better and this will be very useful Alice: like watching yourself<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: because you will have a tiny thought that influences you and now you notice it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: before you just did it without knowing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: CONTINUE<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you were a slave to it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: vegeta I must go at my own pace, I am sorry<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: no im just saying continue<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: like go on Niajhay: eh<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I have now covered 1) concentration basics 1a) one pointed concentration 2) insight 2a) noting<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: any questions?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: wait see myself in third person with my eyes open<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: eyes open eyes closed whatever is most comfortable<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ok Alice: and visualize yourself infront of you?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: what i mean by 3rd person is be a witness to everything that happens<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: no visualization Alice: okay Niajhay: nah no questions just very intersted im taking notes in a book<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: just noting everything that you feel, think, percieve Alice: okay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: on insight I really dont think I can go much deeper<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is the technique<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: elaborate on the energetic step<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: mastering this will change your life<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: they are not steps as such Niajhay: energetic then<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: oh ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: they are separate Niajhay: wait a sec though<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but you need all of them<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: at the same time basically<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: like 20 min of each a day kind of thing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you can set your own schedule though i just teach Alice: okay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: yes, nia?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will move onto energy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: energy is the most complicated of the three<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: of the four<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: in my opinion<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the basic axioms are that there is energy flowing inside us<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and that there is energy outside us that we both affect and are affected by<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: to control the energy inside you you must free it's flow<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: almost everyone, their energy is trapped Niajhay: i was afk<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: there are two powerful ways to free trapped energy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: visuallization and willing?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: one is "dynamic meditation" Alice: i love that one<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: oh lol continue Niajhay: dynamic?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: dynamic meditation is freeing trapped energy through expression<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the process is this: Alice: i tried it out but i didnt feel any different Niajhay: ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you shake a lot<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you jump around<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you move a lot<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you shout a lot<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: until you are exhausted<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: then you lie down<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and relax<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: how am i supposed to concetrate when im doing all of that<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: dont concentrate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: just do it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: concentration practice is separate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is all about the energy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ohhh ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ok and the second way<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: is to unblock the energy centers and to move the energy through the miridians<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: i cannot divulge into all of this ifnormation<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: it is too bigGuest9 has entered the room. Niajhay: hm ok Niajhay: the second method then<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: to begin in this meditation you must be dedicated<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: no half way Niajhay: seeing as you covered the firstGuest9 has become electron.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will only take students privately for this Niajhay: pl Niajhay: *ok Alice: can i learn from youelectron has become harry.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and will teach them only once I have thoroughly taught them some other things<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: can i learn too<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the way to become a student of this meditation is to email me with your progress on the other ones I have told you Niajhay: Same i wanna learn too<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: mkolleen@gmail.com Niajhay: ok Alice: k<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(83,25,94);">TheMasterBelieve: ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: after some you have told me about your practice and we have worked together for a while then we will begin the energy practice<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I only say this because I am scared you will stop half way and have a health problem because of it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: how many are you taking students are you taking<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ._. Niajhay: so no explaining the second one Niajhay: eh<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will try to accomodate all who have interest<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: great thanks Alice: wait what do you mean by health problems<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: wait if i do this i will get a health problems?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: if you do it wrong<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: problem*<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: damm Alice: what happens if we do it wrong? like whats the worst that could happen?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: that is why the second method of energetics i am keeping secret<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(83,25,94);">TheMasterBelieve: well ok? Niajhay: hm<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: yeah what alice said<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: everything else I have told you is safe<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I do not know the worst that can happen<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I have never injured myself with this stuff more than a minor headache<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: will i never be able to use psi and ki again if i do the second method<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: if you do the second method properly you will use psi and ki to a much greater ability Alice: sounds good Niajhay: but what if i dont Niajhay: your not saying the bads Niajhay: why is this is it really that bad tell us<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I dont know first hand what it can do Niajhay: huh<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: give us a prediction Niajhay: ok Alice: so why do you think its dangerous? Niajhay: but have u met others<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: im downloading windows 7 awsome themes Niajhay: idc Niajhay: vegeta<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: because I know that if I accidentally do not do the meditation with much care and with proper technique I will leave too much energy in the head for instance and get a headache Alice: lol<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: lol random vegeta<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Topwindows7themescom/101685103252683<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: if i leave even more energy in the head maybe I will get worse than a headache<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: or in the heart<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: copu and paste da link<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: log in<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you understand?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: view da page Alice: okay so you're head might implode if you do it wrong<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: i dont know, but it can probably get bad Niajhay: o shit<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: who is mkolleen?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: so your saying if i do this and do it bad im going to get a heartattack<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I am<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: hes new electron Alice: no a head attack<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: ok.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: a lot of people have came since you and jason left<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I have not taught you any techniques to get any kind of health problems<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: like duck<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: hes cool Alice: turely!<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: sorry<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ok now we will talk about visualization/astral Alice: continue mkolleen Niajhay: ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: visualization is easy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you can visualize anything<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: just practice it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: make it more real<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: more vivid<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: practice using your psi abilities in your mind<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: practice flying around Alice: what about astral?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this will help with astral Alice: okay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the other thing that will help with astral<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: is dreaming<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: try to gain power in your dreams Alice: ?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: more and more power in your dreams with practice Alice: how?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ok well the first step is remembering your dreams<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: write them down<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: when you wake up Alice: yah got that down<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: i dont remember none of my dreams exept few Alice: then<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: is there another way exept by writing?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: then you will naturally gain power to start being aware in dreams<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: once you are aware you start doing little things<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: maybe having big jumps<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: then you gain more controlGuest10 has entered the room.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: create things<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: change things<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: then you can more control and have complete control over your experienceGuest10 has become JashouxOblivion.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you gain the control to even change your own perception of time Alice: in the dream right?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you make your dream last weeks Alice: oh okay<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: mk sorry to interupt but thats Jash the one you asked about when we were talking about your animal<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ok well I'm done with my lectures for now I think<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Hello<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: hi Jash Alice: thank youJashouxOblivion has become Josh.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: are there are questions?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Hi<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: No<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: wait i have some questions is there any way to remember your dreams without writing them down every morning?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: try staying very still when you wake up<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will say one more thing on energy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you probably all know this already Niajhay: its easy trust me u do i rember then but slowly forget try having a book next to your bed then write it down<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ok i guess ill try the writing thing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but feel and experience your own energy to gain control and power Niajhay: go on<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: spend time being still and feeling it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: get very quiet<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: hear your own heartbeat and blood flowing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and feel the sensation of energy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: keep the four practices i have talked about separate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(88,81,21);">vegeta: hm<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: practice them individually<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: I have a question<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ask away josh<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: I can lucid dream but can I AP while lucid dreaming<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Is it possible<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: yes<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: How do you do it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: with a combination of complete control of lucid dreaming and concentration and insight power<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you will go out of your own world<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and into the wider astral world<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: it is the same power<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you just have to go there by will once you have these abilities<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: mk you sound like you know a lot about dreams<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: can i go into someone elses world while dreaming?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: one minute you are lucid dreaming and you have spent a long time gaining power in these things<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: What are your AP teqniques mk<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: then you will yourself into the astral plane<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: or can i AP to some elses dream Niajhay: i can lucid dream a lil it was weird i made things the way i wanted them then i slowly loss my grip of it and reverted backvegeta has left the room.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: with practice you will gain more ability in this and it will prove very useful to you nia Niajhay: hm ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will admit my techniques are unrefined<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I am at the beginning of my pk path<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I find I can do more all the time<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: MK can i go into some one elses dreams yes or no ._.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: No<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: yes<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: if you are very powerful<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: It is there being of subconsciousness<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: imagine it like a bubble in the astral plane<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: It will drive u mad<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you have to be strong enough to pierce in<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: If possible<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: will it? how<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Well u are inable to interpretate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Another persons<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Being of thought Alice: im tired now so im going to sleep Alice: bye<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: goodnight alice<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: thank you for attending<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Bc that is usually what the average dream is<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: but people with telepathy can interprete someone elses thoughts so why cant people who have the power Alice: thanks for teaching!<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: bye alice<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: any time alice Niajhay: byeAlice has left the room.Guest11 has entered the room.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Well another person can listen to ones thoughts but a dream is the subconsciousGuest11 has left the room.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Most ppl cant understand there own dreams Niajhay: o.O Niajhay: yeGuest12 has entered the room. Niajhay: o<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: So how would anotherGuest12 has left the room. Niajhay: true<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I think it is very hard, but I do think it is possible for a very powerful person to enter someone else's dream<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Let alone be able to stay sane<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: yeah but telepaths to get someone to do it forces a thought in the subconsious<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Mk may be right though<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: One who has spent along time doing it and understands dreams may<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Enter<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: I think its very risky<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: yes it is definitely very risky<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you must have control<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: if you lose power mid-way<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I do not know the consequences<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you might get stuck in sleep or you might go mad<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Traumatic coma<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: or i stay in there subconsious<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: I believe you go into a comatic state<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ._.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: i believe you will stay in that persons subconsious if they wake up or if you lose too much energy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Mk<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will talk about using the energetic, insight, concentration and visualization medtations strategically:<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: use dynamic meditation first<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and very often<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: it will unblock<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and create necessary freedom to do anything properly especially meditation<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you will feel when you need to do it again<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: use concentration often, because it is the fundamental building block of your ability<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: when you cannot concentrate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: use insight<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: find out what is really going on<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: concentrate on what is making you not be able to concentrate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: focus on it<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and visualization<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: a good time to do this is before bedNiajhay has left the room.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this concludes my talk on strategic uses of these meditations<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: any questions?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: hahah i probably put my audience to sleep or scared them away with boredom<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: No<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: back.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: um no questions<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: i was making brownies.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: :P<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: can i get one ._.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: no.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: D:<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: im making cinnamon brownies<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ewww cinnamon<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: i wonder how they will turn out.<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: prefer chocolate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Can I have ur recipe<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: it is chocolate<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: :O<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: does anyone have any interest in meditation postures?<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(102,102,72);">harry: just with spices<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: anyway back to the lesson yes<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Yes<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: what type of postures can i do<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: ok fundamentals of meditation postures:<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you can do ANYTHING<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: there are no rules<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: that said, there are suggestions<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the basic is sitting<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: within sitting you can sit on a chair<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: so i can do a handstand while meditating<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: or on the floor<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: yes absolutely<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I do that<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: awesome<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: on the floor you can do many different postures<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I personally think that it is best to just use a chair<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: better energy flow<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but that's just my opinion<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: these are all good postures<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Do you have to sit cross legged<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: no<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I recommend a chair<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but you can sit cross legged<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: if you like<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the next posture is lying down<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is a good posture because it is the easiest generally<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but the problem is you might fall asleep<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: that is a pretty strong drawback sometimes<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: yeah thats why i fall asleep when i try to AP<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Well couldnt u fall asleep sitting in a chair<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: the next is walking<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this is fine<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you can meditate while you walk<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but dont get lost in your breath<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: ?!<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: instead meditate on your walk<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: yeah its possible<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: look about 3 meters in front of you<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: at the ground<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and pay attention to your steps and your breathing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you can do concentration or insight<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I recommend concentration for walking<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(85,74,95);">Josh: Is it weird that I tend to meditate with my eyes open<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: because insight you will not get as fast progress walking as you would sitting<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: yeah cause a car can hit you<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: meditating eyes open in any posture is allowed<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: many traditions do this<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: another posture is standing<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I will link some good standing postures<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: nice thank you for this lession<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: http://www.lotushealthinstitute.com/index.php/pranaveda-medicine-mainmenu-28/14-pranaveda-qigong-articles/73-mi-zong-qi-gong-standing-meditation-postures<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: lag<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: my personal recommendation is number 7<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: I was taught that by my master<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: it is a good one<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: they are all good though<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and if you are strong enough you can bend your legs lower and put them farther apart<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: look up horse stance<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: this will build strength<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and is also very good for energy<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: but even if you only bend you legs a little<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: and do it as I have linked<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: it will be hard<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: what about 3<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: after a while you will shake<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: with either one<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: do not worry<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: just keep going<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(81,99,155);">Truely: ok<span class="username" style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(71,90,47);">mkolleen: you will stop shaking